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Old 03-15-2019, 07:37 AM   #1
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Spring rates for daily?

Is 400F / 550R too aggressive for DD duties? Maybe some of you guys have something near this setup and can recommend.

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I think you want to be more like 275 in the front.
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Old 03-15-2019, 08:55 AM   #3
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275 is too soft for coilovers IMO. IIRC my original setup was something like 500/600. It wasn't so bad actually with good dampers, but I ended up putting the 500# springs in the rear and run 400# up front now. It's only slightly stiffer than my stock 330i with the koni's set to full soft.

If you have Bilstiens it's going to ride like crap no matter what though.
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275 is too soft for coilovers IMO. IIRC my original setup was something like 500/600. It wasn't so bad actually with good dampers, but I ended up putting the 500# springs in the rear and run 400# up front now. It's only slightly stiffer than my stock 330i with the koni's set to full soft.

If you have Bilstiens it's going to ride like crap no matter what though.
I'm going to stick with 400F/550R. Just got an email back from GC and Donovan said those are good rates for DD.

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It's only slightly stiffer than my stock 330i with the koni's set to full soft.
Really? I've gone from H&R Race/Bilsteins to H&R/Konis to H&R Sport/Konis on full soft, and it still rides like total shit compared to my stock B5 A4 with factory sport suspension, particularly over poorly filled potholes, railroad crossings, road joints, etc. Tires may be partly to do with it since I have performance tires on the E30 and all seasons on the Audi. I can't imagine your 330i would have vastly stiffer suspension than my A4. Makes me wonder if something's wrong with my shocks.
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275 is too soft for coilovers IMO. IIRC my original setup was something like 500/600. It wasn't so bad actually with good dampers, but I ended up putting the 500# springs in the rear and run 400# up front now. It's only slightly stiffer than my stock 330i with the koni's set to full soft.

If you have Bilstiens it's going to ride like crap no matter what though.
275 with an 8” spring is great with coilovers. You just have to preload the spring to get to the right ride height. It’s a LOT more compliant over bad roads. It works, even with a heavy lump of an S50B32 up front.
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Really? I've gone from H&R Race/Bilsteins to H&R/Konis to H&R Sport/Konis on full soft, and it still rides like total shit compared to my stock B5 A4 with factory sport suspension, particularly over poorly filled potholes, railroad crossings, road joints, etc. Tires may be partly to do with it since I have performance tires on the E30 and all seasons on the Audi. I can't imagine your 330i would have vastly stiffer suspension than my A4. Makes me wonder if something's wrong with my shocks.
He drives on Washington (state) roads, which, as I recall, are pretty smooth. Unlike, say, the DC area, where we have frost heaves and potholes.

I’ve been on 275 to 1050lbs. springs in the front of BMWs for reference.
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Really? I've gone from H&R Race/Bilsteins to H&R/Konis to H&R Sport/Konis on full soft, and it still rides like total shit compared to my stock B5 A4 with factory sport suspension, particularly over poorly filled potholes, railroad crossings, road joints, etc. Tires may be partly to do with it since I have performance tires on the E30 and all seasons on the Audi. I can't imagine your 330i would have vastly stiffer suspension than my A4. Makes me wonder if something's wrong with my shocks.
That's because H&R sports have no suspension travel on the ix. The ride sucks because you spend most of the time bottoming out on the bump stops. My strut housings are 2" shorter than stock, so I have much more suspension travel than you.

Before that yes, the ride quality was much poorer. I've had 5 different suspension setups on my ix, including H&R sports, Bilsteins with stock springs, and 3 coilover setups. The worst ride by far was the custom Bilsteins with my shortened housings, it was like having 2x4's for suspension. That was followed by the Koni/H&R setup which was also painful in many cases.

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He drives on Washington (state) roads, which, as I recall, are pretty smooth. Unlike, say, the DC area, where we have frost heaves and potholes.

I’ve been on 275 to 1050lbs. springs in the front of BMWs for reference.
ehh, if you saw our streets here.. I wouldn't call them glass smooth. Some of them are so bad they've almost turned back into gravel. Also there is so much construction, everything is all cut up, with temporary patches on top of temporary patches.

The county roads are pretty nice for being tar/gravel, but in the cities it's generally horrible.

Also our freeway hasn't been repaved here since it was built in 1965. lol
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That's because H&R sports have no suspension travel on the ix. The ride sucks because you spend most of the time bottoming out on the bump stops. My strut housings are 2" shorter than stock, so I have much more suspension travel than you.

Before that yes, the ride quality was much poorer. I've had 5 different suspension setups on my ix, including H&R sports, Bilsteins with stock springs, and 3 coilover setups. The worst ride by far was the custom Bilsteins with my shortened housings, it was like having 2x4's for suspension. That was followed by the Koni/H&R setup which was also painful in many cases.



ehh, if you saw our streets here.. I wouldn't call them glass smooth. Some of them are so bad they've almost turned back into gravel. Also there is so much construction, everything is all cut up, with temporary patches on top of temporary patches.

The county roads are pretty nice for being tar/gravel, but in the cities it's generally horrible.

Also our freeway hasn't been repaved here since it was built in 1965. lol
Last time I was in Seattle, the roads looked great compared to DC. I’ll grant that that was before the big Seattle building boom really kicked in, though.
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I don't live in Seattle though, that's 100 miles from here. I drive up in Canada far more than I do in Seattle.
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I don't live in Seattle though, that's 100 miles from here. I drive up in Canada far more than I do in Seattle.
Washington is just Seattle, and the highway to Vancouver. Nothing else exists.
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Oh, to be clear, my car is RWD. I've considered sectioning my struts, but I don't feel like going to coilovers, at least not just yet.

Yeah, it's pretty good on smooth roads, even with the H&R Race springs I had before, but it seems like any scenario where the wheel has to move up and down very quickly, such as potholes or railroad crossings, it just crashes over them. I'm not sure if my expectations are too high, or if my suspension set up needs improvement.
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Oh, to be clear, my car is RWD. I've considered sectioning my struts, but I don't feel like going to coilovers, at least not just yet.

Yeah, it's pretty good on smooth roads, even with the H&R Race springs I had before, but it seems like any scenario where the wheel has to move up and down very quickly, such as potholes or railroad crossings, it just crashes over them. I'm not sure if my expectations are too high, or if my suspension set up needs improvement.
You posted this in the iX section, FYI.

Your biggest issue is inadequate suspension travel. You may try camber plates with a shorter stack height, or bilsteins with the internal bump stop trimmed 1-2 inches, or raise the car. Also, if you are running stock E30 bump stops, switch to E36 M3 when you swap in the camber plates.
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Oh, to be clear, my car is RWD. I've considered sectioning my struts, but I don't feel like going to coilovers, at least not just yet.

Yeah, it's pretty good on smooth roads, even with the H&R Race springs I had before, but it seems like any scenario where the wheel has to move up and down very quickly, such as potholes or railroad crossings, it just crashes over them. I'm not sure if my expectations are too high, or if my suspension set up needs improvement.
This just voided everything you said. This is specifically for ix not rwd

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This just voided everything you said. This is specifically for ix not rwd

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Honestly, the same applies to iX and RWD.
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